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Panel II
Struggling Out of the Box

D. Bradley Jones, LCSW

The second panel entitled "Struggling out of the Box: The challenge of Self and Interactive Regulation" highlighted Renee's treatment from the second to the fourth years. In the first two years, a sense of safety had developed in the therapy providing a suitable setting for traumatic memories of harrowing sexual abuse to emerge. Lucyann Carlton, JD, MA carefully tracked Renee's extreme oscillation of affect as the patient moved in and out of dissociative states and painful memories of childhood sexual abuse at the hands of her mother. Lucyann presented three of Renee's dreams that occurred in the third and fourth year of treatment. The first dream represented dissociative states Renee utilized as a defense against feelings prompted by the abuse, along with a painful "fusing" that led her to experience and better integrate fragmented aspects of herself. In the second dream, Renee confronted both her unrelenting fears that experiencing her feelings would incapacitate or kill her and her sense that of being completely defective and someone who could not be helped at all. The third dream symbolized Renee's nascent ability to experience her feelings without threat of "psychic death," and a new understanding that, at the hands of the adults in her life, she was up against senseless and random acts of violence. Therapist and patient began to better understand and validate what had always been dismissed, rationalized and ignored during Renee's childhood. This new experience of "making sense" brought great comfort to the patient as well as an element of organization to Renee's horrific and chaotic childhood. In the final moments of this portion of the presentation, we begin to see a path of growth in the patient as Lucyann presented a dream Renee experienced in color, symbolizing "hope" that comes from a therapeutic relationship "healing" in part as a result of a burgeoning sense of love between the two.

Lucyann's presentational style had an evocative and theatrical feel as she fluidly used her voice to demarcate Renee's affect in oscillating self-states. This dramatic rendition of the case brought to life Renee's painful life and turbulent emotional world. It exemplified as well the analyst's gift for empathic immersion with this particularly fragile patient. Perhaps because of the amount and intensity of the clinical material presented, Lucyann's ardent exposition at times felt to this listener as repetitive and distracting.

The afternoon's discussants Henry Friedman, PhD, and Jim Fosshage, PhD, had markedly different views of this treatment. Dr. Friedman, responded to this case with a discerning and somewhat critical edge, appearing cautious to mention alternate ways to obtain therapeutic results. Bringing to the table a theoretical orientation he did not clearly delineate, Friedman introduced an approach he called "Interactive Self Psychology." Hypothesizing that Renee's character problems stem from an identification with destructive and abusive parents, and that her extreme mood vacillations may be caused by a bi-polar disorder, Friedman wondered about the benefit of the reliving of the affect associated with her childhood trauma as a suitable intervention for this highly fragile patient. He suggested that similar therapeutic results might result from an approach that grew not only out of empathic understanding, but may also have included "active" interventions such as medication, alcohol and drug treatment, and in the face of more dangerous behaviors, possibly brief hospitalizations. Sharing his doubts about the long-term outcome of this treatment, Friedman pointed to Renee's proficient ability to turn herself into what others need her to be. With the possibility that Renee might reenact this with Lucyann, Friedman wondered whether or not this might result in Renee's embodiment of a "self" that appears more stable than it is in actuality. He expressed his concern that her bi-polar tendencies would re-emerge. Given that the "average expectable" person usually does not possess the tools to respond to traumatized individual needs in the same manner as a trained therapist, Friedman wondered how Renee would find a satisfactory life or relationships outside the treatment environment? Friedman easily handled being the divergent voice at this conference. His comments pushed the audience onto one side of the age-old polemic often encountered in our field around the plus and minuses of more confrontive and "active" treatments vs. more empathically centered psychoanalytic approaches.

On the other side of the dialectic, Jim Fosshage PhD, and his paper entitled "When the Music Changes, It's Possible to Come Out of the Box," responded more to the forward edge of Renee's conundrum, citing her resiliency in the face of horrific childhood trauma. He described Lucyann's ability to provide Renee with an analytic relationship in which new relational procedures were learned on both explicit and implicit levels. To Fosshage, Lucyann's calming influence helped Renee begin to regulate physiological and hyper emotional arousal, as well as to enhance a gradual shift from negative to positive relational expectancies. Dr. Fosshage stressed the importance of the repetitive aspect of this new relational experience. Over time, he suggested, such repetitive experiences may gradually become established into long-term memory. He emphasized the difference between process and content with regard to transference, believing that Renee's growing ability to share traumatic experience with Lucyann did not reflect unconscious strivings in the transference. Rather, it was her ability to feel safe in this analytic dyad that aided the healing "process." Focusing on dreams, Fosshage illustrated ways in which Renee continued to process her traumatic childhood experience in sleep. Suggesting that Renee's dreams had the following complex organizing functions, he cited: 1) transformations from self blame to a burgeoning sense of self agency, 2) re-integration of self and other from dissociative states, and 3) the process that allowed Renee to have a more compassionate view of herself. In the fourth year of treatment, we were reminded of the first dream Renee experienced in "sweeping color" and her new vitalizing excitement with life. Fosshage concluded his paper by giving examples of Lucyann's "consistent empathic based spirit of inquiry" that culminated in a deep sense of safety for traumatic memories to be recalled, for the illumination of Renee's negative precepts of self to be suspended, and for newer models of explicit and implicit relational knowing to build in long term memory systems. The co-construction of analyst and patient in this transformative therapeutic relationship thus became Fosshage's poignant metaphor for the changing music that helped Lucyann's facilitation of Renee's climbing out of her "box" of trauma and despair.

Lucyann responded to the divergent ideas of these two speakers by asserting her view as more consistent with that of Dr. Fosshage. She thought, as he did, that Renee's gradual transformation grew out of the "lived experience" between Renee and her analyst at both the implicit and explicit levels, and that her patient became "known" through the analyst's consistent optimal responsiveness. Acknowledging Dr. Friedman's contribution, Lucyann agreed that with some other analyst, a different shared reality could emerge that may have proved beneficial for Renee. She also assured the audience that the success of this treatment was not based on Renee's ability to be what others needed her to be as it had been in her relationship with her former husband and with other analysts. In her previous analysis, Renee had tried to mold herself into what her therapist needed her to be. This effort resulted in a fantasy where Renee experienced herself as a nonhuman wooden marionette with no possibility of emotional connections. In summary, Lucyann used Renee's own words in describing her current treatment: "With you the work is inside of me, and it comes from our relationship and my feelings. I'm not getting a paint job on this house. We have taken it down to the foundationÉ. I'd say we have started on the plumbing, the part that can make it so that it can all flow through." In the face of divergent opinion, Lucyann and Renee have clearly found their way to a successful therapeutic path.

A lively interchange among the panelists ensued. Friedman stated he believed an analyst may have a dialogue with a traumatized patient at the beginning of treatment, that would avoid the "very controlled" position of a clinician forced to follow the patient's "exaggerated sensitivity" and experience of "craziness." He believes there are ways to speak to a patient's sensitivities that both stabilize the therapeutic interaction, and bring to the fore the chaotic psychic organization. Fosshage responded by reminding the audience of Renee's sensitivity to intrusion, stressing once again that any intervention other than Lucyann's careful listening could be experienced by her patient as an assault. He added that confronted with extreme behaviors, therapists may experience their own internal "pull" to "manage" patients with medication and other active interventions. Fosshage commended Lucyann's ability to resist such management and to find ways to modulate her own feelings when Renee was exhibiting more extreme behaviors. He pointed out that had Lucyann made an attempt to "manage" Renee during these periods, she may have permanently ruptured and "aborted" the therapy. Lucyann spoke of her own internal struggle during this treatment, and how her work with Renee did not represent a "set condition" for therapeutic action with all patients. Lucyann made it clear she adheres to the wider frame of treatment specific to each of her patient's individual needs.

With a weary quality to his voice, Arthur Malin MD requested respondents keep their question and comments to a minimum. Thus began protocol of question and comments from the audience. Highlights included Dr. Susan Lazar's observations about the importance of "process," "entering into the world of the patient," and concern about the analyst who privileges "cognition," "exploration," and "talking" in the beginning of treatment. It is her belief that one can reinforce compliance and the "brittle identification" that Renee was so apparently prone to. Dr. Lazar's later comment to Friedman that he did not fully appreciate "process" and that he should "reconsider" his position momentarily thrust the conversation to one pole of the dialectic. Stuart Perlman, PhD brought us back into our dialogue with his belief that it might be useful to enlist a patient by sharing all the many therapeutic options there are for dealing with traumatic experiences. He added that in his opinion reliving traumatic experiences can be both beneficial and defensive in nature. He highlighted the importance of Lucyann's focus on self-regulation as well as her creation of a soothing and calming environment for Renee. Dr. Bruce Herzog believed Renee might have enacted with any therapist her childhood trauma of getting "too much" or "too little" (both representing the relational template of her parents), and that anyone who treating Renee might do so successfully only by tolerating the inevitable and difficult phase of treatment described during this panel discussion. Linda Chassler, PhD. recognized the split in the conference between a "right" and "wrong" way of implementing treatment as unnecessary, and postulated that hospitalizations and other active treatments needed to come out of a therapeutic relationship that extended the "containing" aspect of the analysis as far as it was possible to do so.

Summation and closing comments by Friedman included his prescription for Renee's ongoing treatment: 1) ultimately to explicate the seriousness and degree to which Renee's parents were destructive to her, and 2) to help her to understand she had been lucky to survive such "murderous" surroundings. He alluded to a working through of the "envy" that comes with patients who have not had enough "good stuff." Friedman also stated that a good analysis is not necessarily an experience of "re-parenting," but more a situation in which the analyst, "by guiding himself by decency in the interpersonal," provides a "good experience" where the patient can go on. Fosshage countered by pointing to Friedman's use of the other centered listening perspective, stating that an analyst's "authentic engagement" with a patient has more to do with the analyst's subjectivity and style of listening. To Fosshage, a patient who "demands" to be taken care of by an analyst is a patient who desperately "needs" to be taken care of. He explained one can use the other centered data by itself and find a way of opening it up with a patient, or one can reflect on the other centered data, choose to fall back on the empathic mode, and inquire about the deeper feelings connected with the patients behavior. Friedman stated that he did not believe that he and Fosshage were irreparably far away from each other's perspective. He believed the difference to be found in how and when to use the other centered perspective, and he leaves this decision up to the individual analyst using "outcome" of the intervention as a guide. (It might have been beneficial if he could have given a concrete example of how he uses this particular listening perspective. One wonders, how does an analyst accomplish this without eliciting compliance or eroding an appropriate atmosphere for a transitional space or psychic fantasy to emerge?) Friedman did pose important questions about the analyst who consistently utilizes the empathic model: Can the analyst ignore dangerous behaviors? Do we have to fear making wrong choices? Does an analyst risk being too active or too passive? Can losing a patient be better than being too passive? Fosshage concluded this segment of the debate by speaking about the misnomer of the term "passive," and that expressing one's subjectivity with a patient is an "interactive" process that can include many interventions such as inquiry, validation, affirmation, modulations of affect, and an educational vision of how analysis cures.

How does analysis cure? Certainly not by division or polarization. So why do analysts continue to compete with each other? And does this competitive spirit keep us from really hearing and learning from analysts with differing views? Because we are thoughtful beings who have access to our feelings, and because the challenging patient will evoke both the intuitive and counter intuitive aspects of our subjectivities, the good analyst will naturally ask himself ALL of the questions posed at this panel. And although we are all deeply rooted in our particular ways of working, when we enter into the "either" / "or," do we run the risk of missing something important we may need for a particular patient when we least expect it? We owe a debt of gratitude to Lucyann, Dr. Friedman, Dr. Fosshage, and especially to Renee for this fascinating discussion.

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